We have discussed the idea of motifs throughout this novel - one was the Savior motif which we have seen over and over. Identify and discuss the motif, different from the Savior motif, in this chapter.
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One motif that is being discussed in this chapter, as well as other chapters, is love. Even in war there are stories of love and passion. This chapter is mainly about Mark and Marry falling in love.
The motif of this chapter is that Dobbins has the idea that the panty hoes around his net is a form of pertection. Even thow his girlfriend breaks up with him he stills uses it for confert.
Also Kiwa was upset that they were bringing the war to the monks home, which was there sacred place.witch shows the fact that he had the mind to know what they were doing wrong.
A motif that i discovered in this chapter was a love Motif...Fossie was so much in love with Mary ann that he paid to have her come over to Vietnam. He was terrified once the war ctareted changing her becuase that wasn't the girl he feel in love with. He wanted the girl who wore girl clothes and was bubbly. He's love for the girl she once was was through out this chapeer the entire thing Jennifer DeHart
To me the motif in this chapter would be weirdness or goofyness cause that pretty much describes that girl. She comes to be with him and ends up doing god knows what with tongues around her neck.
Another motif that is present in this chapter is love. O'Brien shows how war can affect love. Mary Ann were in love in the begining of the chapter, doing everything together. But at the end of the chapter and after Mary Ann changes her appearance, and her personality the love that they used to have no longer exists.
The most important motif I see is the one of love. I know this is everyones answer but it really to me is the most important and apparent one. There is the theme of love throughout all the short stories in this novel. With Cross and his love for the girl back home who may not feel the same way. He carries her with him through every thing he does. I believe soldiers need something like this just to simply get them through, remind them of what they are fighting for and eventually help to keep their morale up and bring them home. Dobbins and his girls panty hose are kind of like a guard for him. He is carrying his love with him wherever he goes as well. He is just using something physical instead of having her just in his head. He needs that, you can tell because even when she breaks up with him he still put her hose around his neck. That is love. Also Fossie brought Mary Ann over really for support for him. Thinking about her was not enough, he wanted her there with him. When she became so involved in the war and it changed her you could tell it killed him. ~Malori
One motif in this chapter is change war changes people. Fossie invited his girlfriend to ome stay with him and it ended up changing her for the worse. It seems like the connection was lost between and she lost who she was inside. She started to withdraw from things and became nothing more then a shell Amanda
Just like everyone says, the motif in this chapter is Love. Mark loved Mary Ann so much that he could not stand to be without her. He took the first chance he got to bring her over to be with him. The love they had at the begining of the chapter is wonderful, you could tell they really loved eachother. At the end of the chapter that love was gone. The love at the end of the chapter was gone. He didn't know by bringing her there with him that it was going to change her like it did. She lost the girl she was when she came and became someone else, it changed her. She lost who she loved and the love she had for Mark.
A motif I noticed was exaggeration. In the very beginning of the chapter, O'Brien tells you that Rat exaggerates a lot, and that, "it was normal procedure to discount sixty or seventy percent of anything he had to say." (O'Brien 89) Even though it's still possible to discern some truth from what he says, he still exaggerates a lot. For instance, he explains that Mary Anne learns how to repair arteries and shoot morphine. I'm pretty sure they would of had the doctor do that. Mary Anna also told Rat that he did not understand Vietnam, yet she went on an ambush one night and refused to carry a gun. O'Brien says Rat's facts are formed through his sensations, therefore he has to exaggerate.
The main motif shown in this chapter was love, the love shown through Mark and Mary. Since the two were just little children, everyone and them knew that they were going to be together forever. That was the plan for them. "they were very much in love, full of dreams, and in the ordinary flow of their lives the whole scenario might well have came true.(pg 94) She was also very eager to learn about Vietnam and what actually goes on. She whould ask Rat questions like " what exactly is a trip fare." (pg 95)Her curiosity shows her concern in wanting to know exactly what Mark was doing in Vietnam. Chelsea Pinkerman
I believe that the another motif in this chapter is love. Fossie loves his girlfriend so much that he brought her from the U.S. to Vietnam. All of the men are jealous of him but he loves her so much he had to see her and be with her. They were high school sweethearts and they are still together. Tyler
One motif is definently love. THe love of Martha, the love of friends. They all felt guilt when soemone dies and that shows that someone cares or loves the men in the company.
A motif in this chapter is exaggeration and making everything seem better than it really was. In war all the soldiers had were their immagination, and along with that came exaggeration. It's what got them through the day.
Ok sorry but again the motif is Love. I do not think it is just love though, I think it is also change. Mark and Mary Ann love each other very much, when she first comes over. Once she is over in Vietnam with them, she like everyother person over there changes. She becomes a savage wearing tongues around her neck. Jessica
exaggeration is one of the motifs in this chapter. all throughout the book O'Brien has told war stories that have had been stretched or exaggerated. this war story is just another one of the stories that have been exaggerated. for the amount of time Mary Ann could learn to assemble a gun or doctor work like Rat says. its just all been exaggerated.
The motif that is really prominant in this chapter is Love. This is a story about how a man brought a girl over to the war because he loved her and wanted to be with her. He couldn't stand to be without her that he had to get her over there with him. She also loved him enough to go over to a place a war and hardship just to be with him. But not all love is ever lasting. There love couldn't handle that pain of war. The war and things going on in Vietnam got the best of the girl. It changed her into a person that he didn't love. This new person could also not love him the way she did before the war.
I think that the motif of this chapter was curiousity. Mark Fossie was curious as to whether or not he could get his girlfiriend over to Vietnam. Mary-Anne was curious about the Vietnamese people, and she wanted to see them. "She wanted to get a feel for how people lived, what the smells and customs were." (p.96). When compared to the savior motif, this one differs because the savior motif was more actions, where as the curiousity one was more thoughts.
The motif that is presented in this chapter is love. Thoughout this book the main theme has been love, love is a very passionate desire that two individuals have. Therefore, in pervious chapters the soldiers, especially Tim O'Brien is in love with a girl, which also helps him cope with the war situation. Chris Booth
One motif that is very present in this chapter is love. A few examples of this is the way Kiowa doesn't like that they are bringing the war to the monks footsteps. Also when fossie wanted to bring Marry Ann over to Nam so the could spend some alone time together. -chris austin
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One motif that is being discussed in this chapter, as well as other chapters, is love. Even in war there are stories of love and passion. This chapter is mainly about Mark and Marry falling in love.
love
Joshua Lee Oberhaus
The motif of this chapter is that Dobbins has the idea that the panty hoes around his net is a form of pertection. Even thow his girlfriend breaks up with him he stills uses it for confert.
Also Kiwa was upset that they were bringing the war to the monks home, which was there sacred place.witch shows the fact that he had the mind to know what they were doing wrong.
mandy
A motif that i discovered in this chapter was a love Motif...Fossie was so much in love with Mary ann that he paid to have her come over to Vietnam. He was terrified once the war ctareted changing her becuase that wasn't the girl he feel in love with. He wanted the girl who wore girl clothes and was bubbly. He's love for the girl she once was was through out this chapeer the entire thing
Jennifer DeHart
To me the motif in this chapter would be weirdness or goofyness cause that pretty much describes that girl. She comes to be with him and ends up doing god knows what with tongues around her neck.
Cory C.
Another motif that is present in this chapter is love. O'Brien shows how war can affect love. Mary Ann were in love in the begining of the chapter, doing everything together. But at the end of the chapter and after Mary Ann changes her appearance, and her personality the love that they used to have no longer exists.
The most important motif I see is the one of love. I know this is everyones answer but it really to me is the most important and apparent one. There is the theme of love throughout all the short stories in this novel. With Cross and his love for the girl back home who may not feel the same way. He carries her with him through every thing he does. I believe soldiers need something like this just to simply get them through, remind them of what they are fighting for and eventually help to keep their morale up and bring them home. Dobbins and his girls panty hose are kind of like a guard for him. He is carrying his love with him wherever he goes as well. He is just using something physical instead of having her just in his head. He needs that, you can tell because even when she breaks up with him he still put her hose around his neck. That is love. Also Fossie brought Mary Ann over really for support for him. Thinking about her was not enough, he wanted her there with him. When she became so involved in the war and it changed her you could tell it killed him.
~Malori
One motif in this chapter is change war changes people. Fossie invited his girlfriend to ome stay with him and it ended up changing her for the worse. It seems like the connection was lost between and she lost who she was inside. She started to withdraw from things and became nothing more then a shell
Amanda
Just like everyone says, the motif in this chapter is Love. Mark loved Mary Ann so much that he could not stand to be without her. He took the first chance he got to bring her over to be with him. The love they had at the begining of the chapter is wonderful, you could tell they really loved eachother. At the end of the chapter that love was gone. The love at the end of the chapter was gone. He didn't know by bringing her there with him that it was going to change her like it did. She lost the girl she was when she came and became someone else, it changed her. She lost who she loved and the love she had for Mark.
A motif I noticed was exaggeration. In the very beginning of the chapter, O'Brien tells you that Rat exaggerates a lot, and that, "it was normal procedure to discount sixty or seventy percent of anything he had to say." (O'Brien 89) Even though it's still possible to discern some truth from what he says, he still exaggerates a lot. For instance, he explains that Mary Anne learns how to repair arteries and shoot morphine. I'm pretty sure they would of had the doctor do that. Mary Anna also told Rat that he did not understand Vietnam, yet she went on an ambush one night and refused to carry a gun. O'Brien says Rat's facts are formed through his sensations, therefore he has to exaggerate.
Matt G
The main motif shown in this chapter was love, the love shown through Mark and Mary. Since the two were just little children, everyone and them knew that they were going to be together forever. That was the plan for them. "they were very much in love, full of dreams, and in the ordinary flow of their lives the whole scenario might well have came true.(pg 94) She was also very eager to learn about Vietnam and what actually goes on. She whould ask Rat questions like " what exactly is a trip fare." (pg 95)Her curiosity shows her concern in wanting to know exactly what Mark was doing in Vietnam.
Chelsea Pinkerman
I believe that the another motif in this chapter is love. Fossie loves his girlfriend so much that he brought her from the U.S. to Vietnam. All of the men are jealous of him but he loves her so much he had to see her and be with her. They were high school sweethearts and they are still together.
Tyler
One motif is definently love. THe love of Martha, the love of friends. They all felt guilt when soemone dies and that shows that someone cares or loves the men in the company.
--Tim
A motif in this chapter is exaggeration and making everything seem better than it really was. In war all the soldiers had were their immagination, and along with that came exaggeration. It's what got them through the day.
-Ariel :)
Love is definately a big motif. Eventually, the love dissipated. Mary and Mark were crazy for one another, but I believe the war separated them.
Brad C.
Ok sorry but again the motif is Love. I do not think it is just love though, I think it is also change. Mark and Mary Ann love each other very much, when she first comes over. Once she is over in Vietnam with them, she like everyother person over there changes. She becomes a savage wearing tongues around her neck.
Jessica
exaggeration is one of the motifs in this chapter. all throughout the book O'Brien has told war stories that have had been stretched or exaggerated. this war story is just another one of the stories that have been exaggerated. for the amount of time Mary Ann could learn to assemble a gun or doctor work like Rat says. its just all been exaggerated.
Jared B.
The motif that is really prominant in this chapter is Love. This is a story about how a man brought a girl over to the war because he loved her and wanted to be with her. He couldn't stand to be without her that he had to get her over there with him. She also loved him enough to go over to a place a war and hardship just to be with him. But not all love is ever lasting. There love couldn't handle that pain of war. The war and things going on in Vietnam got the best of the girl. It changed her into a person that he didn't love. This new person could also not love him the way she did before the war.
Brittani
I think that the motif of this chapter was curiousity. Mark Fossie was curious as to whether or not he could get his girlfiriend over to Vietnam. Mary-Anne was curious about the Vietnamese people, and she wanted to see them. "She wanted to get a feel for how people lived, what the smells and customs were." (p.96).
When compared to the savior motif, this one differs because the savior motif was more actions, where as the curiousity one was more thoughts.
The motif that is presented in this chapter is love. Thoughout this book the main theme has been love, love is a very passionate desire that two individuals have. Therefore, in pervious chapters the soldiers, especially Tim O'Brien is in love with a girl, which also helps him cope with the war situation.
Chris Booth
One motif that is very present in this chapter is love. A few examples of this is the way Kiowa doesn't like that they are bringing the war to the monks footsteps. Also when fossie wanted to bring Marry Ann over to Nam so the could spend some alone time together.
-chris austin
The motif being shown is love. It can not be anything else because the soldier brought his girlfriend form grade school over to Nam.
Steven W Pollard
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