Identify the irony in this chapter. You only need to give one example. If someone takes your answer, expand on it, or discuss a different example. Remember, spelling and grammar count.
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The ironic thing in this chapter is that O'Brien doesnt want to go to war because he thinks he is too good for the war. Is O'Brien relating this chapter to show how Martha is too good for Jimmy? Because in the the book Jimmy burns the photos as a protest to his love for Martha. And O'Brien used to protest the war in college. The irony part is the war is inferior to Jimmy, but Martha is too good for Jimmy.
The irony in this chapter is that Tim so badly wants to escape from the war, even when he gets close to an excape point(Canada), but he just doesn't try. "At dinner my father asked me what my plans were. 'Nothing,' I said. 'Wait.'"(p 42). So then when he gets near the Canadian border, he is unable to go there. "Canada had become a pitiful fantasy. Silly and hopeless.It was no longer a possibility." (p 57). He just wouldn't come to terms with reality, and didn't try to escape what whe didn't want to do.
one thing that I find ironic in this chapter is that when O'Brien fled from his life at home he was in his words saved by a man that owned a shanty motel right on the edge of the Rainy River. the funny thing about this is the fact that the owner didn't even talk to him, he was just a silent and watchful presence. If he would have just talked to his family he could have gotten more support than the man didn't. - Chris Austin
Something that's ironic in the chapter "On the Rainy River" is that when people think of soldiers, or military men, society pins on them an immense amount of masculinity. In this chapter O'Brien is found crying and questioning himself. He is unsure about the whole thing and isn't all that masculine. This chapter shows the true emotion of a boy going off to war and that not all men drafted are as eager to go as we are usually told. Not all of them have an immense amount of testosterone pumping through their veins.
I find it ironic how at the end of the chapter Tim O' Brian considerds himself a coward for actually not going to war. " I survived but it was not a happy ending. I was a coward I went to war" He calls himself a coward for not doing what he feels he should do in his heart. It seems like most people would consider you a coward for going to war then not going. Amanda
Honestly the most ironic thing that happened in this chapter would be when he says that he worked in a meat packing place and he was removing blood clots and stuff and now he is in the war seeing blood all over the place. But thats just me.
I saw it ironic when Tim wants so bad to not go to war and to be free so when he has the opportunity you would think he would happily take the opportunity but when he gets to the Canada border, he choses not to go.
In the end of the chapter he calls himself a coward for going back to the war. When usually someone is called a coward for leaving the war. In his situation it makes since because he does not believe in the war but it is still ironic.
First of all, O'Brien is one of the most decorated students in his school, "Phi Beta Kappa and summa cum laude and the president of the student body and a full-ride scholarship for grad studies at Harvard." (O'Brien 41) The fact that he is so smart and has a dirt job is really ironic. Secondly, immediately after he graduates he's drafted into the Army. He went through all of that school just to go into the war.
I think it is ironic that when people who protest the war are talked about, they actually do run from the war and stay out of it unlike Tim did. Jessica
I agree with Matt G. The irony of the chapter is that O'Brien is the top of his class and he works at a pig farmAfter four years of college, he gets drafted into the army; so basically he went through all of that hard work and effort to become educated just to go into the army soon after (not that that's a bad thing).
The irony in this chapter would have to be that O'Brian doesn't want to fight the war though he goes and fights it anyway. And there is also irony in the way that he said he wouldn't run from the war because that would be being a coward though most people would think that giving into something you don't believe in would be cowardly.
The irony in this chapter is when O'brien says he doens't want to go into the war
but he goes to the tip top lodge which is very close to the canadian border. one day he's actually at the border, but he decideds not to because he doesn't want to go aginst america.....but O'brien doen's support the war so in reality he is going aganist his own belifs.
I agree with Cory. O'Brien hated the smell of the blood, and hated being covered in it everyday. Now if u hated all that, then why go to war were there is going to be blood, and limbs every where? The smell of the blood is going to be the same no matter what. So how could he go from hating it at one point and then it not bothering him at another point.
What is ironic about this chapter is OBrein trys to flee to canda but does not jump from the boat, not because he is scared, but because he knows that there is no way back. were as the war there could be a chance that he could see his home again.
What i think in this chapter that shows a lot of irony is how O Brien a soldier that grew strongly against the war had been drafted to fight the same war that he felt so strongly about before. "I was to good for this war."To smart, to compassionate to everything, It couldn't happen." pg 41
Tim started off as being a very smart student that got a full ride scholarship to Harvard. He was just not made for such war and had to fight in it. Chelsea Pinkerman
On page(43) O'Brien says, " In the evenings I'd sometmes borrow my father's car and drive aimlessly around town, feeling sorry for myself, think abut the war and the pig factory and how my lif seemed to be collapsing toward slaughter. All around me the options seemed to be narrowing, ad if i were hurtling down a gufe clack funnel, the whole world squeezing in tight." This is ironic because is really shows how difficult and stressful the Vietnam War actually was. Chris Booth
The most ironic part of this chapter is that O'Brien thinks of himself as a coward because he is going to war when he could easily escape it and go to Canada. He had the opportunity to escape but he was too much of a coward to leave so he ends up going to war. Tyler
Just like Sarah said he so badly didn't want to go to war. Even when he was getting his chance to escape from it all he didn't take it. Even though he knew the war wasn't for him something inside him made him scared. The irony to me is that he was so close but at the same time so far away. Away from home, away from reality, away from war, away from his family. He was scared of the war but he was also scared of not going to the war. He was scared of what people might say about him if he had just ran away. It's just really ironic that when he had his chance he didn't take it even when he wanted to.
The irony in this story is that O'Brien wants so badly to leave and run away so he doesn't have to fight to the war. But when Elroy takes him to the river on the boat, just twenty yards from Canadian territory, O'Brien is too scared to go and bursts into tears. Then he leaves and goes back to the war.
The irony in this chapter is that he calls himself a coward because he dose not run away. Most people would say that running away to Canada would be the coward thing to do but in this instance Tim think that he is the coward which is ironic. Steven W Pollard
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The ironic thing in this chapter is that O'Brien doesnt want to go to war because he thinks he is too good for the war. Is O'Brien relating this chapter to show how Martha is too good for Jimmy? Because in the the book Jimmy burns the photos as a protest to his love for Martha. And O'Brien used to protest the war in college. The irony part is the war is inferior to Jimmy, but Martha is too good for Jimmy.
--Tim
The irony in this chapter is that Tim so badly wants to escape from the war, even when he gets close to an excape point(Canada), but he just doesn't try. "At dinner my father asked me what my plans were. 'Nothing,' I said. 'Wait.'"(p 42).
So then when he gets near the Canadian border, he is unable to go there. "Canada had become a pitiful fantasy. Silly and hopeless.It was no longer a possibility." (p 57). He just wouldn't come to terms with reality, and didn't try to escape what whe didn't want to do.
one thing that I find ironic in this chapter is that when O'Brien fled from his life at home he was in his words saved by a man that owned a shanty motel right on the edge of the Rainy River. the funny thing about this is the fact that the owner didn't even talk to him, he was just a silent and watchful presence. If he would have just talked to his family he could have gotten more support than the man didn't. - Chris Austin
Something that's ironic in the chapter "On the Rainy River" is that when people think of soldiers, or military men, society pins on them an immense amount of masculinity. In this chapter O'Brien is found crying and questioning himself. He is unsure about the whole thing and isn't all that masculine. This chapter shows the true emotion of a boy going off to war and that not all men drafted are as eager to go as we are usually told. Not all of them have an immense amount of testosterone pumping through their veins.
-Ariel :)
I find it ironic how at the end of the chapter Tim O' Brian considerds himself a coward for actually not going to war. " I survived but it was not a happy ending. I was a coward I went to war" He calls himself a coward for not doing what he feels he should do in his heart. It seems like most people would consider you a coward for going to war then not going.
Amanda
Honestly the most ironic thing that happened in this chapter would be when he says that he worked in a meat packing place and he was removing blood clots and stuff and now he is in the war seeing blood all over the place. But thats just me.
Cory C.
I saw it ironic when Tim wants so bad to not go to war and to be free so when he has the opportunity you would think he would happily take the opportunity but when he gets to the Canada border, he choses not to go.
In the end of the chapter he calls himself a coward for going back to the war. When usually someone is called a coward for leaving the war. In his situation it makes since because he does not believe in the war but it is still ironic.
First of all, O'Brien is one of the most decorated students in his school, "Phi Beta Kappa and summa cum laude and the president of the student body and a full-ride scholarship for grad studies at Harvard." (O'Brien 41) The fact that he is so smart and has a dirt job is really ironic. Secondly, immediately after he graduates he's drafted into the Army. He went through all of that school just to go into the war.
Matt G
I think it is ironic that when people who protest the war are talked about, they actually do run from the war and stay out of it unlike Tim did.
Jessica
I agree with Matt G. The irony of the chapter is that O'Brien is the top of his class and he works at a pig farmAfter four years of college, he gets drafted into the army; so basically he went through all of that hard work and effort to become educated just to go into the army soon after (not that that's a bad thing).
Brad C
The irony in this chapter would have to be that O'Brian doesn't want to fight the war though he goes and fights it anyway. And there is also irony in the way that he said he wouldn't run from the war because that would be being a coward though most people would think that giving into something you don't believe in would be cowardly.
-Sam
The irony in this chapter is when O'brien says he doens't want to go into the war
but he goes to the tip top lodge which is very close to the canadian border. one day he's actually at the border, but he decideds not to because he doesn't want to go aginst america.....but O'brien doen's support the war so in reality he is going aganist his own belifs.
I agree with Cory. O'Brien hated the smell of the blood, and hated being covered in it everyday. Now if u hated all that, then why go to war were there is going to be blood, and limbs every where? The smell of the blood is going to be the same no matter what. So how could he go from hating it at one point and then it not bothering him at another point.
Jared
What is ironic about this chapter is OBrein trys to flee to canda but does not jump from the boat, not because he is scared, but because he knows that there is no way back. were as the war there could be a chance that he could see his home again.
Mandy
What i think in this chapter that shows a lot of irony is how O Brien a soldier that grew strongly against the war had been drafted to fight the same war that he felt so strongly about before. "I was to good for this war."To smart, to compassionate to everything, It couldn't happen." pg 41
Tim started off as being a very smart student that got a full ride scholarship to Harvard. He was just not made for such war and had to fight in it.
Chelsea Pinkerman
On page(43) O'Brien says, " In the evenings I'd sometmes borrow my father's car and drive aimlessly around town, feeling sorry for myself, think abut the war and the pig factory and how my lif seemed to be collapsing toward slaughter. All around me the options seemed to be narrowing, ad if i were hurtling down a gufe clack funnel, the whole world squeezing in tight." This is ironic because is really shows how difficult and stressful the Vietnam War actually was.
Chris Booth
The most ironic part of this chapter is that O'Brien thinks of himself as a coward because he is going to war when he could easily escape it and go to Canada. He had the opportunity to escape but he was too much of a coward to leave so he ends up going to war.
Tyler
Just like Sarah said he so badly didn't want to go to war. Even when he was getting his chance to escape from it all he didn't take it. Even though he knew the war wasn't for him something inside him made him scared. The irony to me is that he was so close but at the same time so far away. Away from home, away from reality, away from war, away from his family. He was scared of the war but he was also scared of not going to the war. He was scared of what people might say about him if he had just ran away. It's just really ironic that when he had his chance he didn't take it even when he wanted to.
Brittani
The irony in this story is that O'Brien wants so badly to leave and run away so he doesn't have to fight to the war. But when Elroy takes him to the river on the boat, just twenty yards from Canadian territory, O'Brien is too scared to go and bursts into tears. Then he leaves and goes back to the war.
The irony in this chapter is that he calls himself a coward because he dose not run away. Most people would say that running away to Canada would be the coward thing to do but in this instance Tim think that he is the coward which is ironic.
Steven W Pollard
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